8. That’s why scripture says, When he climbed up to the heights, he captured prisoners, and he gave gifts to people.
9. What does the phrase "he climbed up" mean if it doesn’t mean that he had first gone down into the lower regions, the earth?
10. The one who went down is the same one who climbed up above all the heavens so that he might fill everything.
11. He gave some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers.